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Between Master and Disciples

Supreme Master Ching Hai’s Conversation with Maya, Part 3 of 4, July 16, 2022

2022-10-26
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I said, “Listen, you turn around, OK? And you can rule another world, a better one. You can become a king god, if you help me. Meaning helping the world, helping the people to become more awakened, and helping the suffering animal-people, which is all your fault. You make people become ignorant, low in spiritual awareness, and wall themselves in– doing the wrong things, going the wrong way.”

Now, people threw food over the walls for him (Saint Anthony) every six months. (Oh.) I guess they threw something that can last a long time. (I see.) I don’t think he had a refrigerator – he was in Egypt so it’s very hot there. (Yes.) Probably they threw whatever they could. Maybe some fresh things like potatoes, which last long. (Yes.) And cabbage also can last long. It’s dry, but lasts. And beans or something. And the rest was maybe dry food. (Yes.)

Actually, you don’t need to throw bread – just some flour. You can make bread yourself. Yeah, you just put some water in the flour, and thin it out – make it like a chapatti. (Yes.) And then just roast it on a fire. That’s what I did when I was in India. (Yes, Master.) And you can eat it with dates or raisins or currants. All those things last longer if you put it in the shade. (Right. Yes.)

Or in the old times, people dug a big, deep hole and they put the food in it, and covered it with wood and then some earth and grass on it. (Right. Yes.) It’s also very cool down there. (Yes.) And some people have a cellar underneath the house. They also keep them in there. (Yes.) Also cool. (Right.) Or they keep them in the well – water, in the well. (Yes.) As cool as possible. Of course, it’s not as cool as the refrigerator nowadays. (Right. Yes.)

And oh, I cried so much. I thought, my God, that’s a life I want to have. (Oh, Master.) Because I don’t like anything that is so complicated and costs a lot of work and a lot of money. (Right. Yes.) But sometimes I had to stay in some big houses. It’s just prearranged karma. (Oh. Yes.)

I told you already, whatever you don’t like, God will give you. That’s what we say in Âu Lạc (Vietnam). We say, “Ghét của nào trời trao của ấy,” meaning whatever you hate, God will give it to your hands. God will give it to you, until you become nothing – you hate nothing, you love nothing. But I haven’t reached the state where I love nothing yet. (Yes.) Because my vow is to help people, to help the worst possible people – even hell people. (Yes, Master.)

Putin has been repenting to me and he died, and then maya also came to me. Because I keep helping Ukraine in different ways, with our Supreme Master Television. (Right. Yes.) And with some offering of food and all that continuously. (Yes.) Not a lot, of course, I don’t have as much money as those in the list of Forbes magazine. (Yes.) We still need some to continue with Supreme Master Television and the charity work. (Yes.)

What was it before? (About maya.) Maya came. Right, correct. Maya came to me, because I continued to help Ukraine. (Yes.) And we continue to pray for World Vegan, World Peace, and try to help people with whatever we can, including invisible blessings, spiritual power. (Yes. Right.) So, he came to me.

He talked from hell. What I mean is he sent his voice from hell. (Ah!) He said, “You stop all that!” (Wow.) He told me I should stop. So, I asked him, “Why? Just tell me why. I will listen. Of course, I will listen. You may talk.” So, he said, “Because You are the King of the Higher World, You are not the King of this domain. So, don’t interfere.” (Wow.) That’s what he told me. (Oh.) I said, “I know, but were you a good king?” (Oh. No.) He said he was doing OK. He said he just punished the bad ones and let the good ones be, or maybe reward them. “And I’m working with the leaders of the Three Worlds,” the King of karma and all that. (Yes.) Like, the leader of the Astral World, the leader of the Second World, the leader of the Third World. (Right. Yes.) Not with the King of the Fourth and the Fifth World. Of course, not. (Yes.)

Because the Fourth and the Fifth Level Saints only come down and help people – They don’t partake in this punishment and reward, nothing. (Yes.) Therefore, even if people help Them or give Them money, They don’t even thank them or anything, because They know it’s just the way it’s arranged. (Yes.) It’s Their destiny, Their job – what They have to do.

There’s one story about a person who came in and gave offering to a Zen Master. I forgot his name, sorry. Too long ago I read it, too many decades ago. He gave him a lot, a lot of money. For example, we just say US$5 million, just so that you can have an idea. A lot of money, and gold.

He gave him a lot of offering in donation to the temple, to the ashram to repair things. and to take care of the monks with him. And then, he put it in front of him, saying, “This is an offering for you, US$5 million, master.” The master continued sitting and meditating, or writing some script or something for disciples, (Yes.) or answering letters. Whatever the master does – answering disciple letters or whatever letters that they asked him – he continued doing it, saying nothing. He just said, “OK.” That’s it.

And the person was expecting a thank you, praises, good luck and immense blessing. (Yes.) What do they say in Chinese? “功德無量,” means immense blessing, immeasurable merit and all that. (Yes.) He said nothing – he just said, “OK.” And the donator was disappointed because the master didn’t say anything more than just “OK.”

What else? (Yes.) If you give, OK. (Yes.) Better than me, I would refuse even. He would be even more disappointed. So he didn’t yell. At least the donator didn’t yell because the master did not refuse. (Yes.) Maybe he’s a low-level disciple or new disciple and didn’t know much. So the master just said, “OK.” And then, the disciple was very disappointed. So, he sat there for a while, and then he said again, “This is US$5 million offered to you.” The master said, “OK. I heard.” And that’s it. He didn’t say anything more. So, after a few minutes, the disciple donator said again, “$5 million dollars, master!”

And then, the master just left the seat. He left. He went to his room or he went out somewhere else and left that disciple sitting there alone with the $5 million. See what I’m saying? (Yes.)

So, the Saints, the Masters, They know what they are doing. (Yes.) They know what should be done, or that whatever happened, happened. (Right. Yes.) They can only pray for them, make it better. Hopefully God will consider, but They don’t expect anything and They don’t feel surprised by much of anything. (Yes.)

Why did I tell you this? What was it before, to continue? (That maya’s working with the Three Worlds.) Alright. The maya.

So, the maya said that I am not the King of this world. I’m the King of a higher world. I said, “I know that.” So he said then stop interfering with his work, his subordinates’ work. I said I will not stop. He said, “Then, You will suffer.” I said, “I know. (Oh.) It’s nothing new to me. Why are you saying all this?” He just kept quiet.

And then I said, Why don’t you try to help me? Whatever you can. And tell your subordinates to help me, whatever they can to make the world a better place. And you don’t have to be maya anymore. They don’t have to be demons, ghosts and ugly-looking beings, with hideous appearances as well as no heart anymore. I can bring you to a higher world too, not as high as my world, but outside of the Three Worlds and you will never die again. You will never have to suffer anything again. You’ll become like a god. Why don’t you do that instead? And you know, I’m not afraid of your threats. And I suffered all these decades already, so why would I worry about anything anymore? Even death won’t scare me. Hell won’t scare me. So why do you tell me this?” He said he has to do his work also.

I said, “It’s not true. If you were the king of this world, you would take care of people. You would not let your disciples or subordinates tempt people to do bad things, and then blame them for their sins. You would not send your ugly but powerful subordinates to come into this world and seduce people into the wrong path of life and make them suffer – in this life and in hell as well. Is that not true?”

So he kept quiet. That means yes. (Yes.) Because if it’s not true, he would say, “No, no, it’s not. You tell lies.” (Yes.) He would argue. He would be angry. (Right. Yes.) But he told me in an all-calm voice, he wasn’t like yelling or anything. He said, “You are not the King of this world. You are King of the higher worlds, so You don’t interfere with anything in this world. So that’s why I taught them like that.”

I said, “Truly, if you are a king or if you’re more powerful than the people in this world, who have been made ignorant, and don’t know much anymore, and they become more and more vulnerable. And then you just send your bad subordinates to come up, mix into the world, even have children with the men and women of this world, and make the children also do bad things, because they’re half human, half demon. And then you send all the demons also to seduce even more of these half demons to do even worse things to the world. (Wow.) So, look at yourself. Judge your own self. Don’t judge me. I’m just trying to help whoever wants to go Home. I’m not doing anything harmful like that. I’m not hurting any of your people, at all. Even if they are your people, even if you think you’re their king, I’m not hurting anyone. Am I?” So he kept quiet.

I said, Listen, you turn around, OK? And you can rule another world, a better one. You can become a king god, if you help me. Meaning helping the world, helping the people to become more awakened, and helping the suffering animal-people, which is all your fault. You make people become ignorant, low in spiritual awareness, and wall themselves in – doing the wrong things, going the wrong way. So actually, if I put you in jail and punish you, it’s not because I want to. But I want to protect those people. If you think you are the king here, then they are your people. I protect them. Whereas you punish them, you seduce them, you ruin them, making them do wrong things.” So he kept all quiet.

And there is something he told me, after I lectured him all that. But I’m not allowed to tell you. (Understand. Yes.) When anything happens, I will tell you. (OK, Master.) Also, it’s kind of late, because people already did so much damage to themselves, to their own karma. (Yes.)

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