Host: On Tuesday, February 8, our Most Beloved Supreme Master Ching Hai, out of loving concern, called some of the Supreme Master Television team members to make sure that everyone is warm and comfortable through the cold season. During the phone call, Master also kindly answered questions that team members had on some recent events.
“Media report from DW News Feb.5, 2022 Reporter(m): On January 6 last year, a joint session of Congress was counting the Electoral College votes. Outgoing Vice President Mike Pence, presiding over the session. Supporters of Donald Trump outside believed Pence could do more.”
“Media report from MSNBC Feb.7, 2022 WSJ Reporter(m): January 6th was the former President and his team’s best efforts to prevent Joe Biden from being elected and taking office. A lot of that plan hinged on Pence, who had been so loyal, they thought he would be again and follow through with what Donald Trump wanted. Pence did not, of course.”
“Media report from CNN July 24, 2021 His Excellency Donald Trump: I only wish that my friend, Mike Pence, had that additional courage to send the results back to the legislatures.”
“Media report from CNN Nov.16, 2021 His Excellency Donald Trump: It was very sad when Mike Pence gave those votes over.”
“Media report from CNN Dec.11, 2021 His Excellency Donald Trump: I think Mike has been very badly hurt by what took place with respect to January 6. I think he’s been mortally wounded, frankly, because I see the reaction he’s getting from people. They say, ‘Why didn’t you just hand it back to the legislatures?’”
“Media report from CNN Feb. 6, 2021 Abby Phillip(f): Former Vice President Mike Pence made what may be his final break with his ex-boss - rejecting Trump’s claim that he could have, and should have, overturned the election.
Pence(m): President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election.”
“Media report from MSNBC Jan. 31, 2022 Reporter(f): Trump wrote: If the Vice President had ‘absolutely no right’ to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like wacky Susan Collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!”
(Master, recently, President Trump criticized former Vice President Pence for not overturning the 2020 presidential election. He said, as a result of that, the country “is going to hell!” Could You elaborate more on that, Master?) […]
What can we do with this world anyway? There’s always one side positive, one side negative. Even the Master has to deal with that. The positive side advises, or points out, to the Master which is the good thing. And the other one argues, says, “No, no that’s not good. Have to do this... to do that.” Confusing all the time. So, it’s very difficult for humans to even discern what is what.
But as I told you, Vice President Pence, […] as vice president, he has no power to do that. That’s for sure. (That’s correct.) But as president of the Senate, he could have if the vote had any evidence of wrongdoing. (Yes.) That’s what I think. […]
The Constitution doesn’t mention that the vice president can do anything about the election result, (Yes.) to turn it over, turn it around. But Mr. Pence was not just vice president; he was the president of the Senate at that time, for that. And he had the authority to open all the envelopes, the electoral envelopes, electoral votes and then count it there, in front of everybody. That is correct. Because he’s responsible for that, by de facto, then he should be able to return some of the election votes, if there is some evidence of fraud. (Yes. That’s correct. Yes, Master.) […] And because at that time, there was some evidence and some complaints in many states about fraud, (Yes, that’s true.) and about the incorrect voting system, not law-abiding voting system, and the machines went wrong, and all that stuff. And with people who are already dead and still voting, (Yes, that’s right.) ghost voters, and some people voted many times, six times, (Yes.) or something like that. Or somebody from another state also voted to that state, to the other state. (Yes, Master.) So, there was evidence. And there were many complaints. And also testimonies about the incorrect voting system and way of counting and all that. (Yes, Master.) […]
So, even though the Constitution doesn’t say that the president of the Senate could return all the ballots, or some vote counts, it is legal, it is normal. It’s common law that Vice President Pence could have done that if there were so many complaints about irregularity and fraud. (Yes, Master.)
You cannot just ignore people’s complaints and evidence, and say, “OK. My duty is just to count.” Just to receive and accept. He’s responsible as well (That’s right.) for the right counting, the right voting system. (Yes, Master.) The right counting outcome, whether or not the Constitution says anything like that. Because maybe at the time that they made the Constitution, it was all correct and clear. Nobody ever thought that anybody would do any fraudulent things like that. (Yes.) There were no voting machine counts. (Yes, that’s right.) There were no mail-in ballots or any kinds of things that people could cheat with. (That’s right.) That is the thing. So many irregularities just came afterward, (Yes, Master.) after we became more civilized, and more high tech. (Ah, yes.)
So, in a way, President Trump was right. (Yes, Master.) If everything was so smooth and honey, then he would have no excuse to say anything. But he had some excuse. (Yes. That’s right. It’s true.) And most things, they just ignored, or just recounted. What for a recount? The vote is already there. Recount is the same. (Yes. Right, right.) All the envelopes were thrown away, and they don’t even know who did what, who sent where. (Yes, Master.) And if they could fake the vote, then they could fake again, and more even. (Oh, right. That’s true.) (Yes.) So, what’s the use of doing the recount? It would be useless anyway. […]
It is the position of the president of the Senate […] to do that. For that time, for that purpose. (Yes, Master.) Then he has the right, he has the responsibility to make sure that it’s all correct. (Yes, Master.) You can’t just receive anything, even though it’s wrong. If it’s wrong, you have to say it’s wrong. You have to return it. (Right. Yes, Master.) So, in a way, he is legally obliged to make sure that the voting system has been respected. (Yes.) Democracy has been respected in all letters, from A to Z, (Yes, Master.) before he says, “OK, I accept it. And this person becomes president, the other person lost.” Cannot do that in any case. […] (Yes, Master.) If a thief comes into your house, and he wants to steal big things, but he has no chance, so he steals small things, it’s still stealing. He still committed theft. (Yes, Master.) So, you cannot accept it and say, “Oh, this person is completely clean. He’s an honest citizen.” (Yes.) […]
(Master, why wouldn’t Vice President Pence overturn the election?) Why? Because he’s not for Trump. (Oh.) He’s not in that party. (Oh.) Just like you have a spy in your country, from the enemy, from the opposition, or something like that. (Yes, Master.) I told you many times before about real friends. In society, some people act like your friend, and they help you in small, small things, and it seems like they’re supporting you in some not very important things. But when it comes to very, very crucial decisions, they turn around and betray you. (Oh.) So, up to that moment, up to before that, Mr. Pence seemed to support President Trump, but when it came to the important decision, he turned on him. (Yes, Master.) Making excuses. Deep in his heart, he did not want to do it. He did not want Trump to be president. (Oh.)
(Why did Mr. Pence not want Mr. Trump to be president again?) Because he himself wanted to be president. (Ah, I understand.) Because he has been poisoned by some people, openly or secretly, telling him that he […] would be a perfect president. […] And he has been influenced by all this dark energy from Biden and company. (Oh, wow.) All dark people, all negative. But if you look at his face, you can see that he’s not the loyal type of person anyway, if you can read faces. (Yes, Master.) And he has such an ambition also and greed for power. That’s why the negative can use him even more. (Oh, wow.) And President Trump is from the positive side. He (Pence) became also influenced by the negative power of Biden and all that baby-killer administration. (Yes, Master.) Dark energy, negative magnetic field. (I see.) But you can’t always blame anyone individually. The blame is on the karma that humans create, individually, or as a nation, or as the whole group of allies, or as the whole world. (Yes, Master. Right, Master.) […]
This world has not much justice to talk about. (Yes, Master.) And that’s why we have so many problems as we do. But as I said, it’s just karma, collective karma – individual and collective karma. That’s why the devils are allowed to be in a higher position (Oh.) and to oppose the righteous and the positive workers. (Yes, Master.) […]
Any other questions?
“Media report from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center Jan. 20, 2022 Narrator(f): NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope found new evidence of a black hole creating stars, rather than destroying them. Hubble recently captured images of gas launched by a black hole and slamming into a dense cocoon of gas within a dwarf galaxy.”
(There is news that a black hole gave birth to a star. Could You please elaborate on that, Master?)
It’s not a star. It’s a killer entity. (Oh.) The black hole cannot give birth to anything good, because the black hole is hell itself. (Oh, yes, Master.) So, all this concentrated energy, it kind of gestated from all the negative energy in there, from most of the negative energy from the black hole, and then it spilled out this negative entity. It’s a killer entity, it’s not a star. (Oh, wow.) It is to destroy our world. (Oh.) Even though Heaven has some countermeasure, but you never know how much it can damage our planet, I mean humanity as a whole. (Yes, Master.) It is not just the pandemic, it’s many other things and the energy from the black hole as well. (Oh, God.) […]
It’s a killer entity. It’s emitting very bad energy into our planet, to harm humanity and spread this kind of harmful radiation everywhere. (Oh!) So, we save who we can. (Yes, Master.) Only those who are righteous, who are truly pure at heart could survive, truly. (Yes, Master.) And I’m hoping the Heavens’ energy will minimize some of this terrifying effect. […]
(So, that energy, Master, is directed only at Earth and nowhere else in the galaxy?)
They don’t have enough energy to direct it all over the galaxy. (Yes, Master.) Just for now, because we have bad energy on our planet, so, it attracts that also. (Yes, Master.) It goes both ways. Other planets maybe don’t have anything wrong yet. So, this energy is not directed there. (Ah, understand.) It’s only aiming at our world right now, because we are in the doom time. You can see that. Everything is pointing to almost the end. (Yes, Master.) That’s why we work so frantically, trying so hard to wake everyone up. (Yes, Master.) It has some good effect, yes, like our shows, many shows about the cruelty to the animal-people awakened many people. At least nine hundred million people (Oh, wow!) (Oh, really?) have become influenced by that and became partially vegan, vegetarian, or completely. (Yes, Master, that’s good news.) […]
But we have other influences as well, so it’s combined. It’s getting a little better, (Yes, Master.) a bigger influence and bigger outcome. But still, it’s too slow and too little. […]
Other people who already were vegan and vegetarian before, that doesn’t count in there, (Yes, understand.) not counted. So, it’s also something, (Yes, Master.) but it’s too small for my liking.
Any other questions? (Yes, Master. The scientists, they’ve detected a radio burst from the center of the galaxy. Could Master please explain this phenomenon?)
Ah, it is because of Heaven’s countermeasure (Oh!) to all this negative energy that is beaming into our world, trying to help, because of our prayers, because of my prayers also, of course. But because humans’ karma is too heavy. (Yes, Master.) Humans’ violence is so overwhelmingly… just overwhelmingly huge and incredible, so, it’s not sure who will win. (Oh.) Humans have to change. That’s all there is. Humans have to turn away from violence, beginning at their table. Don’t eat any living beings anymore. That’s it. (Yes, Master.)
All religions have been telling us that we should eat just vegetables and fruits and grains. It’s plentiful everywhere if we don’t cut down all the forests and trees and all that, just to feed the animal-people instead. 70 something percent of soy is fed to animal-people, and then we kill them to eat. (Yes, Master.) It’s a huge deficit, a huge business loss in terms of ecology. (Yes, it is.) Many millions are dying of starvation because of this. Not to talk about methane or anything else yet. We are killing ourselves. […]
And alcohol, drugs, and cigarettes, and all that, are killing millions every year, more than wars together. […]
So, talking about the pandemic, it’s just one of those things. And war is just also one of those additions to it. (Yes, Master.) Humans are a true pandemic to themselves.
All this is because of the killing karma; killing the innocent animal-people, killing innocent babies, and taking the wrong view – listening to all these devil priests, (Yes, Master.) preaching the wrong direction. Imagine the head of the Catholic Church saying that all the sins are Jesus’ sin. Whatever they do, whatever they sin, is Jesus’ sin. And then they will sin again. That’s how they advise the faithful. (Yes.) Imagine that? Jesus came down to preach people not to sin! (Right, Master.) And then they say, “We will sin again because this is Your sin.” (Yes, Master.)
“June 15, 2013 Pope Francis(m): God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to Confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: ‘This is your sin, and I will sin again.’ And Jesus likes that…”
When did Jesus ever sin? […]
And all listen to it, or do nothing about it. (Yes, Master.) Completely opposite to what Jesus preached.
So, anyway, there’s not much in this world that I want. I mostly want to go Home, but I have to stay to help whatever I can. That’s all. Otherwise, this world is truly, so out of imagination. (Yes, thank You for helping us all, Master.) Huh? (Thank You for helping us all, the whole world.) I just hope I can, that’s all. But at least, if we can help one person, that is one person’s salvation. You see? One person’s liberation without suffering in hell. Because for that person to suffer in hell, it is tremendously gruesome for him. (Yes, Master.) It’s so much pain and sorrow. So, even one person liberated – for him it’s the whole world. So, that’s all I keep thinking – that whoever suffers in hell, this is too much. Even if one person suffers, it’s too much. Too much for him. Imagine if it’s you. (Yes, Master.) So that’s why we have to help whomever we can. […]
Host: Most Gracious Master, Your invaluable dedication to help as many lives as possible in this challenging time is an inspiration for the world to follow. As Your unconditional Love shines through Your words and actions, may humanity also realize the importance of protecting all beings. We pray for Divine Light to brighten our planet and make it one of benevolence, high moral standards, and loving kindness, where leaders serve their citizens wholeheartedly in the Name of God. May Cherished Master be healthy and at peace, protected by all Glorious Godses.
To learn more of Supreme Master Ching Hai’s insights on these current topics, please tune in to Between Master and Disciples on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, for the full broadcast of this phone call.
Also, for your reference, please check out previous related Fly-in News / Between Master and Disciples conferences, such as:
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Important Information from the Chief of COVID
Supreme Master Ching Hai’s Advice to All Religious Faithful, and the Solution for Our World in Crisis
Between Master and Disciples:
Whatever Is Inside of Us Is Manifested Outside
Supreme Master Ching Hai’s Intensive Meditation Is Safeguarding the World
Supreme Master Ching Hai’s Courageous Work for the World
May the Righteous Triumph
Reclaim Your Power of Love and Compassion
The Fallen Angels
“The Ten Commandments” and “Moses and the Ants”
Governments Should Uphold Morals and Dignity
Why Do Good People Suffer in This World?
Nothing Escapes Justice
Governments Should Be Pro-Life and Promote Veganism
Heaven Does Not Accept the Killing of the Unborn
Free Will Is to Choose the Righteous Way
When Honesty Is Lost: Signs of the Last Hour from the Hadith
Catholic Priests Should Preach the True Gospel of Lord Jesus
The True Saint Title
Being Vegan Brings Out Our Love and Benevolence
Lord Jesus Christ's Glorious Sacrifice for Humankind
Real Compassion and Moral Standards Is the Real Solution